"outfront," michael waldman president of the brennan center from nyu school of law, and michael medved, conservative commentator for salem radio. great to see both of you. michael waldman, you're both michael so i have to do first and last names. great to see both of you. the president asking for a smaller package because a bigger deal can't get done. how is this moving the ball forward? there's blame to go on both sides here but it is pathetic. >> i think he probably would say that it's better to kick the can down the road than to kick the economy off the cliff. this is kind of a self-inflicted answer to a concocted crisis. the threat to default on the debt a few years ago to try to force a budget deal, and then oh, we're going to put these automatic cuts in, they're going to be so terrible that that will force our hand, and now the political market and everybody else is kind of priced in already the nonsense. so i think as an economic matter, it would be really bad to have this austerity go in effect right now but it's not a permanent solution, it's not a way to run a railroad or a g